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cyandle (cyandle(at)top-10.com)
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I have a client whose site is in Google's index but when you go to view the cached copy the page is blank. I read in Google's Fact & Fiction section that tells you what they can index. It says, "File types we are able to index include: pdf, asp, jsp, hdml, shtml, xml, cfm, doc, xls, ppt, rtf, wks, lwp, wri." Their site is in frames and it is an .html file but the frameset calls pages that have .tpl extensions. Does this effect their rankings? Thanks! cyandle(at)top-10.com
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patrick deese (search(at)electrondesign.com)
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cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0303270743.4e36f6b8(at)posting.google.com>... > I have a client whose site is in Google's index but when you go to > view the cached copy the page is blank. I read in Google's Fact & > Fiction section that tells you what they can index. It says, "File > types we are able to index include: pdf, asp, jsp, hdml, shtml, xml, > cfm, doc, xls, ppt, rtf, wks, lwp, wri." > > Their site is in frames and it is an .html file but the frameset calls > pages that have .tpl extensions. Does this effect their rankings? > > Thanks! > > cyandle(at)top-10.com Post......the....URL... kind regards - patrick deese
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cyandle (cyandle(at)top-10.com)
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the url is www. caviarchef .com
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Ash Nallawalla (anallawalla(at)hotmail.com)
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cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0303270743.4e36f6b8(at)posting.google.com>... > Their site is in frames and it is an .html file but the frameset calls > pages that have .tpl extensions. Does this effect their rankings? Google has .tpl files indexed, e.g. http://gbdioc.thinksite.com/pg/city.tpl It's only going to affect the placement if the pages are linked from the noframes part of index.htm. If not, the pages are not known to googlebot hence nothing to cache. - Ash http://crm911.com
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cyandle (cyandle(at)top-10.com)
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What do you mean? The frameset already calls the tpl pages. Google has reindexed and it still didn't cache those pages. I didn't design the site so I am not familiar with tpl pages.
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Richard L. Trethewey (rainborick(at)yahoo.com)
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cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0304080457.1ec0d5c4(at)posting.google.com>... > What do you mean? The frameset already calls the tpl pages. Google > has reindexed and it still didn't cache those pages. I didn't design > the site so I am not familiar with tpl pages. Google can index any page that is rendered for the client user agent as HTML. The actual filename extension isn't a factor. It's how the server sends the data. So even though these ".tpl" pages are being dynamically generated, the server identifies it to the user as "text/html" and that's how Google classifies it. Google is sending the site's main page contents from its cache, but the page doesn't render within Google's structure for the display of their cached version. Its not really surprising in a way, since the page ends up with multiple <html>, <body>, and other key tags. Its one of the many prices you pay for frames. Google staff rarely participate in these groups. For more information, you should probably consult with a search engine optimization company. Yes, I couldn't help taking the cheap shot, but this is pretty basic stuff here that applies generally to all search engines in one way or another. If you work for www.top-10.com, you should know this stuff already or the company is a disgrace.
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patrick deese (search(at)electrondesign.com)
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rainborick(at)yahoo.com (Richard L. Trethewey) wrote in message news:<e641dd3.0304081313.1c502062(at)posting.google.com>... > cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0304080457.1ec0d5c4(at)posting.google.com>... > Google staff rarely participate in these groups. For more > information, you should probably consult with a search engine > optimization company. Yes, I couldn't help taking the cheap shot, but > this is pretty basic stuff here that applies generally to all search > engines in one way or another. If you work for www.top-10.com, you > should know this stuff already or the company is a disgrace. I sell SEO services, so please take this commentary as biased, if you must. I found it fairly amusing that top 10 is currently banned by google. Also found this little gem on their services page: http://www. top-10 .com/our.html "Once you provide us with keywords relevant to your site, we query the search engines for the top pages for each keyword. Our proprietary PageAnalyze™ technology then determines what characteristics the pages have in common and does a statistical analysis of the word frequencies on each page. Using this information, we then create new pages for your site that take the best characteristics from the related pages that we found, and upload these pages to your site. Finally, we create a special web site that causes all of the search engines we target to visit and index the special pages we made for you, giving you the best possible rankings." Basically they are saying that they make doorway pages on your site to trick search engines into liking you. Then they put your site on their link farm and bill you. However, if anyone selling you SEO say that they do this; run away, run very very far away from them, and never look back. Install the Google toolbar, and look at their site. Their own techniques have banned them. kind regards - patrick deese www.electrondesign.com
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cyandle (cyandle(at)top-10.com)
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We haven't been banned nor have any of our clients. We simply fell out of the index due to our main designer always overwriting our optimization as well as the site staying unoptimized for over a year. We have actually spoke with Google about this and it was verified that we were not banned. We just resubmitted last week and we should get back in their index. Thanks for everyone's help with this issue as it has helped greatly.
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patrick deese (search(at)electrondesign.com)
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cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0304090550.7657792(at)posting.google.com>... > We haven't been banned nor have any of our clients. We simply fell > out of the index due to our main designer always overwriting our > optimization as well as the site staying unoptimized for over a year. > We have actually spoke with Google about this and it was verified that > we were not banned. We just resubmitted last week and we should get > back in their index. "Overwriting our optimization"? I think that is called S P A M M I N G. How about these other sites owned/managed by your company: http://www. rtchosting .com/ (PR 0), http://www. rtcclick .com/ (PR 0), http://www. pcbeacon .com/ (PR 0) [this must be your link farm, right?], http://www. rfqhosting .com/ (PR 0), http://www. rtchomes .com/ (PR 0), http://www.rtcsearch.com/ (PR 0) [actually a mirror/redirect of pcbeacon, isn't it?], and http://www.roanoketechnology.com/ (PR 0). Actually the only one with a semi decent PR is www.rtcstorebuilder.com has PR 5, and I have already figured out that you have a little farm up on the sites. rtcstorebuilder .com subdomain. just google: site:sites. rtcstorebuilder .com +com. I know, your main designer must have "overwritten the optimization" for these sites too. Oh, and let me guess, someone emailed google and got this email back: "Thanks for writing to Google. We read all of the email we receive and try to send personal responses to each message. This note is just to let you know that we've received your letter, and you'll hear from us soon. We appreciate your taking the time to contact us. Thank you for using Google. Regards, The Google Team" And then.... "Occasionally sites are removed from our index, feel free to submit them again." I wish GoogleGuy was still posting here, I would *love* to know if your site was banned or not. In the meantime, maybe you ought to *fire* your main designer. He GOT YOUR SITES BANNED! Feel free to mail me if you need a consultant to optimize www.Top-10.com. It needs work. regards - patrick deese www.electrondesign.com
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cyandle (cyandle(at)top-10.com)
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PageRank is not the only thing Google consisders when it indexes a website. It that was the case then http://www.angelfire.com/stars2/nwoc/ (PR 3/10) would not be ranked 16th for comedians. In fact, when you review their PageRank page it tells you this... Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query. Therefore, PageRank doesn't solely determine whether or not you have been banned or justify you having high rankings for your keywords. As far as those websites that you mentioned, PC Beacon is no longer owned by our company, RTC Storebuilder is NOT a link farm. The sites you see when you google site:sites. rtcstorebuilder .com +com are actual sites built in RTC Storebuilder. That is how the software creates those exact websites. RTC Homes is no longer used nor promoted. The other websites are infact inhouse websites that have never been promoted at all as they are new startups for the company. Due to your unprofessionalism with this thread I cannot and will not consider your opinion of any value nor should anyone else reading this as you have acted very unprofessional without exactly knowing what was actually going on.
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Ash Nallawalla (anallawalla(at)hotmail.com)
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cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0304080457.1ec0d5c4(at)posting.google.com>... > What do you mean? The frameset already calls the tpl pages. Google > has reindexed and it still didn't cache those pages. I didn't design > the site so I am not familiar with tpl pages. I haven't gone back to see this site, but the point is that spiders need the links in the NOFRAMES portion as well as the human-readable links you have in the FRAMESET. .tpl are template pages used by PHP. For this discussion they might as well be .htm. Cached pages tend to be several weeks old and provided that googlebot has been permitted to cache, you should see something in the cache eventually. I have not kept tabs on how many weeks, but it's been 3-4 months before I noticed my own pages in the cache.
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wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com (wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com)
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anallawalla(at)hotmail.com (Ash Nallawalla) wrote in message news:<b4254c41.0304081447.3e544a24(at)posting.google.com>... > cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) wrote in message news:<65b541d0.0304080457.1ec0d5c4(at)posting.google.com>... > > What do you mean? The frameset already calls the tpl pages. Google > > has reindexed and it still didn't cache those pages. I didn't design > > the site so I am not familiar with tpl pages. > > I haven't gone back to see this site, but the point is that spiders > need the links in the NOFRAMES portion as well as the human-readable > links you have in the FRAMESET. .tpl are template pages used by PHP. > For this discussion they might as well be .htm. > > Cached pages tend to be several weeks old and provided that googlebot > has been permitted to cache, you should see something in the cache > eventually. I have not kept tabs on how many weeks, but it's been 3-4 > months before I noticed my own pages in the cache. In responce to patrick dreese, how funny of you to put in your two cents worth of " I AM AN SEO COMPANY" Dude if your an SEO company why do you have such a crappy website ? What legitimate business is going to send you any money when you post ON YOUR "SEO" website " patrick turned 35...damn im old" PROFESSIONAL PATRICK !!! That makes me as a business owner want to send you my money. Look before you give opinions on this board go out and write a website that ACTUALLY LOOKS like a business site. OR STAY IN THE GEOCITIES THREAD FIELD. cause thats where you belong...what a moron.
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Ash Nallawalla (anallawalla(at)hotmail.com)
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wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com wrote in message news:<83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com>... > go out and write a website that ACTUALLY LOOKS > like a business site. OR STAY IN THE GEOCITIES THREAD > FIELD. cause thats where you belong...what a moron. Find some other newsgroup to show your ignorance. Awaiting Patrick's "responce" (sic) with glee.
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Ash Nallawalla (anallawalla(at)hotmail.com)
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wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com wrote in message news:<83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com>... > In responce to patrick dreese, how funny of you to put in your two > cents worth of " I AM AN SEO COMPANY" Dude if your an SEO company why > do you have such a crappy website ? What legitimate business is going > to send you any money when you post ON YOUR "SEO" website " patrick > turned 35...damn im old" PROFESSIONAL PATRICK !!! That makes me as a > business owner want to send you my money. Dave, If you must go to the extent of getting a new Hotmail account called "WilsonCalifornia" (presumably far away from Roanoke Rapids, NC), then at least use a different IP address! Power down your cable modem and fire it up again. That should achieve a measure of protection next time you are tempted to flame. From: cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) Newsgroups: google.public.support.general Subject: Re: client's site not being cached... Date: 10 Apr 2003 14:18:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <65b541d0.0304101318.125ca80a(at)posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.148.80.131 From: wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com Newsgroups: google.public.support.general Subject: Re: client's site not being cached... Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:31:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.148.80.131 An interesting old post: http://snurl.com/1526
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patrick deese (search(at)electrondesign.com)
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anallawalla(at)hotmail.com (Ash Nallawalla) wrote in message news:<b4254c41.0304110139.39f707f3(at)posting.google.com>... > wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com wrote in message news:<83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com>... > > > In responce to patrick dreese, how funny of you to put in your two > > cents worth of " I AM AN SEO COMPANY" Dude if your an SEO company why > > do you have such a crappy website ? What legitimate business is going > > to send you any money when you post ON YOUR "SEO" website " patrick > > turned 35...damn im old" PROFESSIONAL PATRICK !!! That makes me as a > > business owner want to send you my money. > > Dave, > > If you must go to the extent of getting a new Hotmail account called > "WilsonCalifornia" (presumably far away from Roanoke Rapids, NC), then > at least use a different IP address! Power down your cable modem and > fire it up again. That should achieve a measure of protection next > time you are tempted to flame. > > From: cyandle(at)top-10.com (cyandle) > Newsgroups: google.public.support.general > Subject: Re: client's site not being cached... > Date: 10 Apr 2003 14:18:53 -0700 > Organization: http://groups.google.com/ > Lines: 28 > Message-ID: <65b541d0.0304101318.125ca80a(at)posting.google.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.148.80.131 > > From: wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com > Newsgroups: google.public.support.general > Subject: Re: client's site not being cached... > Date: 10 Apr 2003 13:31:47 -0700 > Organization: http://groups.google.com/ > Lines: 26 > Message-ID: <83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.148.80.131 > > > An interesting old post: http://snurl.com/1526 LOL Ash. didn't even catch it. Let me just close by saying that if you look in the "hiring section" of Top-10, it brags about how their *sales* people make $65,000 in commissions. This place is just cranking out any old SEO they can. I am sure your company has helped a lot of people, because most times, sites are created with "Untitled Document" as their title page. And I was going to leave this alone, but if all those sites I mentioned up in the thread don't have anything to do with your company why are they linked on the homepage within a box labeled "find out about our other services". How do you think I found out about them? I certainly didn't hire a private investigator. Finally, you seem to be confused as to what PR is. Page rank is your cumulative score for incoming links, content etc. If your site is PR 0, and it has been in the "wild" for more than 3 months it means one or a combination of the following: 1) you have no incoming links, and google has never indexed you. - or - 2) your site is has been banned. My "geocities" site is in the first page results for "website design" at yahoo, and ~15 for the same at Google. I couldn't find your site in Google. What search terms does yours show up for? Have a nice day. Give me your mailing address and I will send you a packet of kleenex. patrick deese www.electrondesign.com
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wilsoncalifornia(at)hotmail.com wrote in message news:<83bc8007.0304101231.343d2d3(at)posting.google.com>... > In responce to patrick dreese, how funny of you to put in your two > cents worth of " I AM AN SEO COMPANY" Dude if your an SEO company why > do you have such a crappy website ? What legitimate business is going > to send you any money when you post ON YOUR "SEO" website " patrick > turned 35...damn im old" PROFESSIONAL PATRICK !!! That makes me as a > business owner want to send you my money. Look before you give > opinions on this board go out and write a website that ACTUALLY LOOKS > like a business site. OR STAY IN THE GEOCITIES THREAD FIELD. cause > thats where you belong...what a moron. Thanks for your opinion. Everyone has one. In fact I have gotten 3 clients this morning due to my crappy website. I inject a lot of personality into my comments here and my website. You know why? Because I have a personality. I happen to live in Mexico, and because of this, I have to maintain a "long distance relationship" with a lot of my clients. 7 of them I have never met in my life. I am actually a funny guy. I like to laugh and make people laugh. I could make a corporate website that makes it look like I have offices in the top floor of the Empire State Building, but why? I make conservative "play it safe" sites all day long. Look through my portfolio. At least with my own domain, www.electrondesign.com I get to have a little fun and be irreverent. I've got electrondesign.com tattooed on my back for crissakes. Does being irreverent cost me the occasional client? Maybe. Do I care? No. Anyhow, if you are impressed by a corporate looking website and then they end up employing trailing edge spam techniques that give you page rank zero, well, what good is that? Maybe I am a fool and should redo my website and sell SEO to major corporations for thousands of dollars, but I don't. I live in Mexico. Do you know why I live in Mexico? I get to work for myself, and I can afford to pick and choose my clients and tell uptight jerks to go to hell. I'll get right to work on that Geocities site. Thanks for putting me in my place. Have a nice day. Patrick Deese www.electrondesign.com Post a follow-up to this message
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